Dodgers: LA Insider Thinks Zack Greinke Could Help ‘Thin’ Rotation
The current Dodgers starting rotation is far from the 2021 cadre of aces. Los Angeles will likely need to improve the backend of the rotation to pave the way to a successful 2022. Could former Dodgers ace Zack Greinke be the answer?
Max Scherzer is now a New York Met. Trevor Bauer is embroiled in sexual assault allegations. Clayton Kershaw’s missed the second half of the season with an elbow injury and is currently a free agent.
Greinke could help bridge the gap between Walker Buehler and Julio Úrias and the rest of the starting staff. Tony Gonsolin, Andrew Heaney, and David Price are all question marks. As is Dustin May’s return from 2021 Tommy John surgery.
Dodgers insider David Vassegh strongly supported the idea of a Greinke return this week on Dodger Talk.
“He had a pretty good year with Houston last year…he was still able to have an era in the AL West under 4.00. He would help these younger pitches get better like [Ryan] Pepiot, Bobby Miller, Landon Knack. He would help their pitching staff get better.”
Greinke’s Leadership Upside
Greinke is a unique personality. He also one of the most prepared pitchers in the MLB. His incredible pitching repertoire is what got him to the majors. His work ethic is the reason he’s made multiple All-Star teams on the wrong side of 30.
He could help mold the next generation of Dodgers starters in addition to solidifying the rotation.
Greinke by the Numbers
To Vassegh’s point, Greinke recorded a 3.62 ERA against divisional opponents. The AL West isn’t a buzzsaw, but it’s encouraging that Greinke was effective against hitters who see him multiple times a year. The only blemish is his 6.51 ERA in his starts against the Texas Rangers.
He finished the 2022 season with a 4.16 ERA in 29 starts. In his first 26 starts, Greinke had a 3.41 ERA. Four poor starts to finish the year (20 ER in 15.1 IP) drastically inflated his ERA.
Final Thoughts
The Dodgers don’t need Greinke to be the perennial Cy Young contender he was in Los Angeles.
What they need, is a quality veteran starter to strengthen the rotation.
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I think Greinke would be a great addition.Exactly ehat you wrote, he csn eat up innings, give you wuality starts and help the youth. Especially if he had an incentive laden cl tract.
But some kind of trade still needs to happen before him or Clayton or any other free agent gets signed, otherwise we lose a good player from our 40 man
Yeah, the Dodgers are in desperate need of a pitcher who can go 4 innings and give up 5 runs.
Going to sign an over the hiller, then might as well go back to Rich over the Hiller. He’s 58 years old and throws harder than money grab Greinke
Why add another old pitcher ? Price can give you Greinke numbers.let’s give the young arms some more experience for the future!
Price sucks and is totally useless. Gonsolin was more useful.
Looks like you didn’t understand my comment.
I don’t think you understood your own comment then. Price is not a good reference point for anything
Let me explain.The article is about possibly adding 38 years old Geinke.I don’t think we need him since we already have 36 years old Price. Price pitched 73 innings with a 4.03 era. Price sucks and is totally useless?Greinke pitched 171 innings with a 4.16 era.Who knows what Price’s era would be if he pitched 171 innings,but I don’t need to know because I’d rather see those extra innings go to some young arms….I hope this clears things up for you.
I couldn’t agree more.
I’d rather sign Carlos Rodon and trade for someone like Shane Bieber, Kyle Hendricks, and or Tyler Glasnow.
We heard
That’s what I would do.
Stick a fork in him, he’s done. I watched him pitch multiple times last year and he was lit up a lot. Even when he got people out, he was hit hard. Simply put, he isn’t worth the money it would take to sign him. A middle man at best. Buyer beware.
Vassegh is too stupid and too far up Roberts backside to be a valuable “insider”.
I use that term in quotations did to the fact that he’s not a legitimate “insider”. He’s not part of the front office speaking on anonymity. He’s not the Dodgers mouthpiece or official spokesperson. He’s just a guy on the radio who gives takes before and after the game, and thinks former players who were outfielders can be good enough managers to handle a pitching staff.
That being said, greinke burned his bridges upon his departure from the Dodgers and now he’s a former Astro on top of being a former D-bag.
He put LA in the rear view.
greinke gave the dodgers 3 interstellar years of extreme excellence. and hes incredibly intelligent. sure , he looks like hes nearing the end but if you lower his workload he can eat a small fraction of innings with good performance possibly. you just cant exceed his threshhold be cautious with his innings and preperation. then its a matter of cost. hes fading fast so maybe one year at 5 million or less. hed be a great addition to the club as a player and then as organizational talent to assist in solving the teams dilemmas. greinke is a smart dude.
He needs to be in the pen then. Can’t have relievers covering 5+ innings whenever he starts. Roberts already destroys the pen enough
Shut up Mike
or what a.h.?
You really should be IP banned because you’re the absolute dumbest poster here and cussing out people by doing it “initials style” doesn’t make you any more intelligent, it just shows how much of a troll you are in life.
I’m glad I changed my online name from David to Bohemian. I wouldn’t want to be confused with you.
you think everybodys a troll . when you see faults in others dont you see the same faults within yourself or something similar? anyway thats the second time you told me to shut up out of the blue the past 2 or 3 days, i wasnt even talking to you. if you want to disagree with a statement thats fine. i still dont need to talk to you about anything. ever.
None of your book statements hold any water. You only drone on and on the way a droll and drab presentation speaker loves to hear himself talk, yet you can’t type properly, or use proper grammar. Yet you put yourself on a pedestal so high you need the Bezos phallus rocket to sit atop it, yet you’re the village joke on this board.
so what are you going to do about it punk
Lol my God, you’re a sad individual Mikey, reverting to a 17 year old high school dropout.
everybodys mikey or davey roberts to you. arent you a little gay?
ohj youre just trying to bait me while you hide behind your keyboard because deep down inside youre afraid . you just keep on talking like the coward you really are im tuning you out.
Says the guy sounding like a raving moron behind his own keyboard trying to threaten someone on the internet. You make this almost too easy.
I’m curious how many parties you were denied that you tried to invite yourself to, and how many trash cans you saw the bottom-of-the-inside of in high school. Man-child.
David I like how you accuse Mike of being a certain way yet you’re acting that way in your comments. Shoving someone in a trash can is a high school dropout comment not his
Nah Mike is the kind of guy now who just needs a punch in the face and his internet from his mom’s basement revoked. My comment was reflecting to the point that’s how he spent his high school years usually stuffed in a trash can. All you have to do is notice how much you have to scroll beyond him thinking he is purposely thinking someone is blocking his communiques to the Dodgers FO.
Don, I leave for a few days and this place turns into a Smack off!!! ” can’t we all just get along?”” How about Mike and david put the frustration where it should go rather than amonst ourselves? Like our Barney Fife manager that holds his job while cooking the team out of the playoff’s by himself 6 of the last 7 years?
oh you think youre winning. whats your net worth? youre trying so hard to infuriate me but im really alot smarter than you are . youre not even in my league. youre a pretender and a loser in life as indicated by your commentary with everyone and everyone knows you. who cares what you have to say? i dont. im not even going to waste my time. go ahead and keep taiklng . i recognize your type. the eternal loser denies everything and cant face the truth. i never threatened you. i just told you you were a punk because you told me to shut up twice out of the blue. it looks like to me that youre such a loser you like to argue with everybody and it gives you a sick sort of pleasure if you think you can get under somebodys skin and affect them psychologically. ive been around the block too many times. ive seen it all. i understand the universe very well. youre just a piece of the statistical analysis. your behavior is predictable. so too are your moves. youre too small. youre a waste of time.
Good morning everyone! ……. Have beautiful day!
anyway im joking about the net worth part . im probably just as broke as you are. i shouldnt have fallen for the bait when you told me to shut up twice because u were hoping id fall for the bait i think. you just wanted to get in an argument because i disagreed with u about a week ago and made a statement about something you said. then i insulted u by saying u should go have dinner with roberts then utwo could agree on everything and still not make a lick of sense. then i mentioned u with somebody else and i said something about u and him but it wasnt a bad thing. and then me and jackson started to get into it a little bit and we ended the conversation. and then i reflected upon the events and i started thinking about all the arguments that happen on this website and i realized that its okay for everybody to have a different opinion and thats infinite. everybody looks at reality differently and the accuracy of everyones viewpoints are always fluctuating between zero and 100% accuracy on any subject and rarely is anyone ever 100% right about anything depending upon the standpoint or subjects were trying to judge. and i realized why argue about something thats meaningless. in a few years we will all be dead kicking up dirt and no one really cares what we say or how well its reasoned out. and that theres nothing to prevent someone from coming up to you and spitting in your face and saying youre wrong. and i realized its better to try and not have personal conversations too much on this website because alot of times it develops into arguments. so the past week or so i just figure that i can state my opinion not all the way because we live in a society and that fact prevents us from doing just anything wed like to. we all have different opinions but im not going to debate your opinion. i even sort of agree with some of yours to a point but not entirely. we all just want to be heard right? but you dont have to ever agree with me on anything. i certainly dont agree with many opinions. and i know theres nothing anyone can do about everybody elses opinion. its generally a waste of energy and time to try and convince people that an opinion is 100% correct. and im not too worriedf about my grammer because im pretty intelligent and can be understood. somewhat but not precisely. and its easier to let the words flow. some ways of thinking i feel like i know ive got the world beat completely. sometimes when i type i accidentally hit the wrong key. alot actually. and i miss it or dont correct it. but i see it. i do write alot. thats true. but i think real deeply and ponder the mysteries of the universe. im always thinking about deep subjects. almost innocuously. and great things occur to me. like what r all the creatures up to in the universe? and what does it mean? and i realized that off planet there arent any laws to prevent us from giving into our natural impulses. and any aliens visiting our solar system well there wont be any laws out in deep space and money will be useless at some point. and we all make mistakes. its just that what does it all mean? if any argument occurs how hard is it to explain? id have to write several volumes before you start to understand where im coming from before you ever realize that im just on a different level about alot of stuff with no ego as much as it may seem. im still mistake prone. but i feel like im more of a long range thinker . i make alot of mental errors like everyone does. but mentally i do manage to get it in gear and deep complexities and solutions occur to me out of the blue like out of nowhere. i reason it out and i study. then i forget and later i think my subconscious never stops working on some of the deep questions i give it to process. and ive been watching sports all my life and studied alot. im deeply philosophical . i find answers because i ask the right questions too. i ask myslf what r all the people on the earth doing? what r they up to? what does it mean from a universal perspective with all the potential creatrures in existence over all time and infinitely? and i studied math and physics and bruce lees thinking processes helped alot. and i look at people not so much as right or wrong but in a statistical sense. and knowledge like fractal symmetry in all universal behaviors living and non living matter. matter and energy are the same. einstein. infinite numbers are handled in blocks of similar numbers to try and tackle infinity or forever. patterns form in our behaviors and certain situations repeat themselves over and over again. and theres a range of results. its empty space, nothing itself that is eternal. the energy has to always be present to accompany the eternal emptiness as vaccum energy. the wind in space. and thats infinite but a different kind of infinity like georg cantor postulated in the late 1800s. we exist forever as energy in different forms . we transform into matter then back again to energy in a cycle thats eternal. where ther is no matter there is no time. time is just an explanation of a flow on the breakdown of matter flowing from hot to cold. the second law of thermodynamics. everything that we do everything that we are is a part of this process. when we argue and disagree , that burns up energy and ensures the directional flow of time itself. anyway it all translates to ive got the stone cold fn nuts when it comes to major league baseball. sorry david im not trying to step on your toes but i have to go in my own direction now. i stand alone in my viewpoint on universal behavior and what is going on with everybodys behavior . something has to be going on. we know something has to exist because we know were here. so if were here then alien lifes existence must occur sometimes and then it simply becomes a matter of frequency or in a statistical sense. theres odds if we ever manage to collect enough data to more accurately arrive at a ballpark figure. and theres a range of expected behavior using statistical analysis to predict the range of our potential behaviors in any situation. and with enough information the future can be predicted but the matter flow prevents the information to come fast enough because the matter stream breaks down into total chaos faster than we could possibly follow any of those infinite trails with reasoning. our very thoughts are part of the thermodynamic breakdown of matter too. anyway it seems to me that my theories are starting to make sense.
See? You’re an absolute lunatic. No normally sane person vomits out such garbage. I bet you still live with your mommy and are on welfare going ten years now at least because any time someone has to scroll two pages worth to get past your individual comments, it’s indicating you’re a lost cause and not a productive member of society who’s fat butt opens the door in nothing but a pair of shorts when your feeding bag gets delivered.
Hahahaha that was actually a good one David.
coming from a guy who talks abouit my mother and doesnt even know me and says i threatened him then talks about how i deserve a punch in the face. you know davids the guy whos ip address should be permanently banned. hes calling everybody else a lunatic but hes singled me out although its clear im trying to avoid anything to do with him. hes bringing my mother into his twisted dialogue and we can keep this up forever until its over rover. and i dont curse. i initial a.h.
I like the thought of Grienke as a mentor for the young guys, especially if Kershaw chooses NOT the Dodgers…
Grienke has always been the odd one or an introvert.I’m not sure if that type of personality would make a good pitching mentor.
Zach is a closeted oddball who showed how crazy he can be when he threw the cargo doors open and tossed Puig’s gear off the bus. That’s not a mentor. That’s a psychopath.
puig is an a. h. like you though. only a.h.;s back puig.
This website is a fraud if this comment never got moderated when my comment, which didn’t include swearing after Mike cried did. Can’t handle self-absorbed people who don’t get the rules treated the same way.
Play ball!!
I think Grienke would be an excellent addition to the pitching staff while we wait for Dustin May to come back. He has an excellent reputation for quality starts and is a future HOFer with little injury history. With him on the mound for six or more and a quality relief staff in place, the Dodgers will be in every game he pitches.
It’s funny to see the same people worshipping MadMax hating on Grienke even though they’re basically the same age. His ERA is largely due to over reliance on his arm. With a 4.06 ERA, he’s basically a guy leaving after six with less than three runs on the board. That is solid and I’ll take it every time.
Andrew, DRRRRRRR wants May to comeback to the Bull Pen, where he can destroy what’s left of his arm….
and he wants david to be the mascot to do all the barking.
Dodgers will still need a veteran arm at the back end of the rotation. I’m fortunate enough to get to see Knack, Miller and Pepiot pitch. That being said none of them are ready yet. I would say Knack is probably the furthest away. I always liked Greinke and his personality is probably perfect for this new class of pitcher coming up to learn from.
dodger nation, can you edit my last comment and this one? im not going to respond to david anymore. i noticed the time stamp and i didnt notice the comment he made the other day . then it occured to me that you probably took a few days to moderate it. i thought he was still barking at me. but i believe he moved on for now and im not going to respond anymore to his statements and its better to let it go.